# Redbird Droppings: Moving Forward For 2023

- Link: https://www.nyrdcast.com/redbird-droppings-moving-forward-for-2023/
- Published: 2023-08-21T10:59:38-05:00
- Author: Eugene Tierney

### **Redbird Droppings: looking at the rest of the Cardinals season**

#### **Plus the potential Rule V protection list**

Now that we are a few weeks away from [the trade deadline](https://www.nyrdcast.com/2023/08/grading-the-cardinals-trade-deadline/),
what can we expect for the last 5-6 weeks of the season? Probably a lot of bad baseball,
but the team can still feel like it accomplished something.

The most important thing for the next few weeks is to see what the team has for 
next season. A few timely injuries have opened up some playing time; the IL consists
of [Dylan Carlson](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/carlsdy01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br),
[Brendan Donovan](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/donovbr01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br)*,
[Nolan Gorman](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/gormano01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br),
[Ryan Helsley](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/helslry01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br),
[Steven Matz](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/matzst01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br),
[Packy Naughton](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/n/naughpa01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br)*,
[Lars Nootbaar](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/n/nootbla01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br),
[Wilking Rodriguez](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/rodriwi02.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br)*,
and [Jake Woodford](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/w/woodfja01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br)(*
= out for the season). And this doesn’t include [Matthew Liberatore](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/l/liberma01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br)‘
s [sore back that’s pushing his start back a day](https://www.mlb.com/cardinals/news/cardinals-injuries-and-roster-moves?t=cardinals-injury-report).
Helsley and Woodford are out on rehab assignments and will be back soon. Carlson
could be [done for the year as he contemplates ankle surgery](https://www.mlb.com/cardinals/news/dylan-carlson-dealing-with-ankle-and-oblique-injuries?t=cardinals-injury-report).

[⌊Redbird Droppings: <a rel=⌉⌊Redbird Droppings: <a rel=⌉[

Masyn Winn

Masyn Winn [is up and should be the everyday shortstop](https://www.nyrdcast.com/2023/08/cardinals-promote-masyn-winn-and-place-lars-nootbaar-on-il/)
until the end of the season. The team is seeing what they got in [Richie Palacios](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/palacri01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br);
he was a DFAed in June by the Guardians and traded to the Cardinals for cash. [Luken Baker](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/bakerlu01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br)
is up with the team. [Drew Rom](https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=rom---000dre&amp;utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br)
will get a spot start today, while [Guillermo Zuniga](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/z/zuniggu01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br)
is in the bullpen.

While it’s great those players are up, the Cardinals could be doing more for the
future.

[Casey Lawrence](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/l/lawreca01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br),
[Andrew Suarez](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/suarean01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br),
and [Drew VerHagen](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/v/verhadr01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br)
have no future in the Cardinals bullpen. [Jose Fermin](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/f/fermijo01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br)
and [Taylor Motter](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/motteta01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br)
are wastes of roster spots. I wish there was something they could do about [Tyler O’Neill](https://www.baseball-reference.com/search/search.fcgi?pid=oneilty01,oneill001tyl&amp;search=Tyler+O'Neill&amp;utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br),
but they need his value as high as possible if the try to trade him this off-season.
And I don’t want to touch [Adam Wainwright](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/w/wainwad01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br)
right now.

The rotation should be [Miles Mikolas](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/mikolmi01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br),
Liberatore, [Zack Thompson](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/t/thompza02.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br),
Rom, and Wainwright (unless they did the smart thing and move him to the bullpen).
I’d even be OK with a 6-man rotation where the Cardinals try out Woodford, [Andre Pallante](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/pallaan01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br),
and [Connor Thomas](https://www.baseball-reference.com/search/search.fcgi?pid=thomas005con,thomas003con&amp;search=Connor+Thomas&amp;utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br).
[Adam Kloffenstein](https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=kloffe000ada&amp;utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br)
and [Sem Robberse](https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=robber000sem&amp;utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br)
should also be considered, as they needed to be added to the 40-man to be protected
from the Rule V Draft. The team could also move to a piggyback system for Thompson,
Woodford, Pallante, and Thomas as they get stretched out as starters.

The team could replace the 3 already mentioned bullpen pieces, along with [James Naile](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/n/naileja01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br)
and [Kyle Leahy](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/l/leahyky01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br),
with guys like [Dalton Roach](https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=roach-000dal&amp;utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br),
[Jack Ralston](https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=ralsto000jac&amp;utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br),
[Ian Bedell](https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=bedell000ian&amp;utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br),
[Inohan Paniagua](https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=paniag000ino&amp;utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br),
[Ryan Shreve](https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=shreve000rya&amp;utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br),
and [Logan Gragg](https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=gragg-000log&amp;utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br)(
who are all Rule V eligible). The bullpen has been bad enough that adding a few 
guys to see what they can do won’t make them any worse.

Cutting Fermin and/or Motter would allow the team to look at [Nick Dunn](https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=dunn--000nic&utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br),
who’s crushed the ball this year and is Rule V eligible. The crowded outfield makes
it hard to get guys in, especially since Matt Koperniak and [Chase Pinder](https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=pinder001cha&utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br)
are Rule V eligible. I’d make Baker the full time DH and fill in for [Paul Goldschmidt](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/goldspa01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br)‘
s days off.

Playing these guys will give the Cardinals a better idea of what they need next 
season and make the games a little more exciting for fans. It would also showcase
young talent for potential trades in the off-season; if Baker hits, but you know
most of your DH time will go to Gorman and [Jordan Walker](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/w/walkejo02.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br)(
because the Cardinals messed up his development by not moving him to the outfield
sooner), then he could be a key piece in landing an ace.

Besides the young guys, this would potentially set the Cardinals up for a better
draft pick too; the worst 6 teams in the league have a shot at the first pick with
the next lottery system they implemented in this year’s draft.

 This plan would piss off some players, and it might piss off some fans who think
the team is throwing in the towel (they already did that at the deadline).

**Rule V Players**
Here is the list of Rule V Eligible players for the off-season;
they needed to be added to 40-man roster, or the Cardinals will risk losing them
in the Rule V Draft in December. The best players I’ve pretty much listed above,
but here’s the full list:

 * [Jose Alvarez](https://www.baseball-reference.com/search/search.fcgi?pid=alvarjo02,alvarjo01,alvare014jos,alvare003ric&amp;search=Jose+Alvarez&amp;utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br),
   C, Springfield
 * [Aaron Antonini](https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=antoni000aar&amp;utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br),
   C, Memphis
 * [Benjamin Arias](https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=arias-000ben&amp;utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br),
   RHP, Palm Beach
 * Ian Bedell, RHP, Peoria
 * [Alexander Beltre](https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=beltre000ale&amp;utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br),
   LHP, FCL
 * [Jacob Buchberger](https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=buchbe000jac&amp;utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br),
   3B, Springfield
 * [Jose Cordoba](https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=cordob000jos&amp;utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br),
   OF, FCL
 * [Jose Davila](https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=davila002jos&amp;utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br),
   RHP, Palm Beach
 * [Yonael Dominguez](https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=doming000yon&amp;utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br),
   RHP, FCL
 * Nick Dunn, 2B, Memphis
 * [Roy Garcia](https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=garcia000roy&amp;utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br),
   RHP, Springfield
 * [Edgar Gonzalez](https://www.baseball-reference.com/search/search.fcgi?pid=gonzaed01,gonzaed02&amp;search=Edgar+Gonzalez&amp;utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br),
   RHP, Springfield
 * Logan Gragg, RHP, Springfield
 * [Justin Guerrero](https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=guerre001jus&amp;utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br),
   C, FCL
 * [Nathanael Heredia](https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=heredi000nat&amp;utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br),
   LHP, Peoria
 * [Francisco Hernandez](https://www.baseball-reference.com/search/search.fcgi?pid=hernan011fra,hernan010fra&amp;search=Francisco+Hernandez&amp;utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br),
   3B, Peoria
 * [Kenny Hernandez](https://www.baseball-reference.com/search/search.fcgi?pid=hernan001ken,hernan000ken&amp;search=Kenny+Hernandez&amp;utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br),
   RHP, Springfield
 * [Ludwin Jimenez](https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=jimene000lud&amp;utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br),
   RHP, FCL
 * [L.J. Jones](https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=jones-004leo&amp;utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br),
   OF, Springfield
 * Adam Kloffenstein, RHP, Memphis
 * [Brandon Komar](https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=komar-000bra&amp;utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br),
   RHP, Springfield
 * [Matt Koperniak](https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=kopern000mat&amp;utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br),
   OF, Memphis
 * [Irving Lopez](https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=lopez-000irv&amp;utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br),
   2B, Memphis
 * [Edgar Manzo](https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=manzo-000edg&amp;utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br),
   RHP, Peoria
 * [Jose Martinez](https://www.baseball-reference.com/search/search.fcgi?pid=martijo08,martijo06,martijo04,martin110jos,martin104jos,martin102jos,martin097jos,martin072jos,martin105jos,martin094jos,martin075jos,martin059jos,martin056jos&amp;search=Jose+Martinez&amp;utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br),
   RHP, Springfield
 * [Ramon Mendoza](https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=mendoz006ram&amp;utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br),
   3B, Peoria
 * [Darlin Moquete](https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=moquet001dar&amp;utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br),
   2B, Peoria
 * [Jose Moreno](https://www.baseball-reference.com/search/search.fcgi?pid=morenjo01,moreno017jos,moreno012jos&amp;search=Jose+Moreno&amp;utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br),
   RHP, Palm Beach
 * [Wilmer Ortega](https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=ortega003wil&amp;utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br),
   RHP, Palm Beach
 * [Pedro Pages](https://www.baseball-reference.com/search/search.fcgi?pid=pages-002ped,pagespe01&amp;search=Pedro+Pagés&amp;utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br),
   C, Springfield
 * Inohan Paniagua, RHP, Peoria
 * [Wilfredo Pereira](https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=pereir000wil&amp;utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br),
   RHP, Springfield
 * Chase Pinder, OF, Memphis
 * Jack Ralston, RHP, Peoria
 * [Nick Raposo](https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=raposo000nic&amp;utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br),
   C, Memphis
 * [Chandler Redmond](https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=redmon003cha&amp;utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br),
   1B, Springfield
 * [Tyler Reichenborn](https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=reiche000tyl&amp;utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br),
   OF, Peoria
 * [Hancel Rincon](https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=rincon000han&amp;utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br),
   RHP, Palm Beach
 * [Jeremy Rivas](https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=rivas-000jer&amp;utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br),
   SS, Peoria
 * Dalton Roach, RHP, Memphis
 * [Errol Robinson](https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=robins000err&amp;utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br),
   SS, Springfield
 * Sem Robberse, RHP, Memphis
 * [Dionys Rodriguez](https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=rodrig006dio&amp;utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br),
   RHP, Peoria
 * G.J. Rodriguez, RHP, Peoria
 * [Luis Rodriguez](https://www.baseball-reference.com/search/search.fcgi?pid=rodrilu01,rodrig062lui,rodrig058lui,rodrig057lui,rodrig053lui,rodrig051lui,rodrig050lui,rodrig049lui,rodrig048lui,rodrig039lui,rodrig037lui,rodrig035lui,rodrig034lui,rodrig059lui,rodrig055lui,rodrig052lui,rodrig047lui,rodrig045lui,rodrig042lui,rodrig038lui&amp;search=Luis+Rodriguez&amp;utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br),
   1B, Peoria
 * [Logan Sawyer](https://www.baseball-reference.com/search/search.fcgi?pid=sawyer001log,sawyer000log&amp;search=Logan+Sawyer&amp;utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br),
   RHP, Springfield
 * Ryan Shreve, RHP, Springfield
 * [Leonardo Taveras](https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=tavera001leo&amp;utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br),
   RHP, Peoria
 * [Nick Trogrlic-Iverson](https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=trogrl000nic&amp;utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br),
   RHP, Springfield

**Around the Web**

 * [Viva El Birdos](https://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2023/8/21/23838572/could-the-cardinals-reunite-with-an-old-friend-in-2024)
   explores reuniting with [Michael Wacha](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/w/wachami01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br).
 * [Redbird Rants](https://redbirdrants.com/posts/5-opposing-players-who-ruffled-the-feathers-of-cardinals-fans-01h87a3z0k73)
   gives us the 5 opposing players the fans hate the most.
 * [The Film Room](https://www.mlb.com/cardinals/video/cards-hof-recap?t=t138-default-vtp)
   has clips of the Cardinals HOF Weekend; congrats to [Jose Oquendo](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/o/oquenjo01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br)
   and [Max Lanier](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/l/laniema01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br)(
   and son [Hal Lanier](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/l/lanieha01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br),
   who represented his father) on induction.
 * [Clutch Points](https://clutchpoints.com/mlb-rumors-cardinals-targeting-aces-bolster-pitching-2024)
   lists [Julio Urias](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/u/uriasju01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br),
   [Blake Snell](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/snellbl01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br),
   and [Aaron Nola](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/n/nolaaa01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-08-21_br)
   as potential targets for the Cardinals this off-season; I can only see the team
   landing one of the 3 with 2 lesser pitchers being acquired.

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