# Redbird Droppings: Clean The 2023 House?

- Link: https://www.nyrdcast.com/redbird-droppings-clean-the-2023-house/
- Published: 2023-07-24T13:15:00-05:00
- Author: Eugene Tierney

### **What should the Redbirds do at the deadline?**

#### **Also, are there other issues then just the roster?**

I’ve been pretty quiet this season; it’s hard to write about a team playing this
badly that shouldn’t be this bad. Coming into the season, this was not a bad team;
not a perfect team by any stretch, but also not a team fighting to stay out of the
cellar. They were a team built to win the division but little else.

This season leads to the following questions:

 * How far behind are the Cardinals from other teams?
 * Is John Mozeliak and the front office in touch with the current game?
 * Was there more to [Mike Maddux](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/maddumi01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-07-24_br)
   and Jeff Albert leaving?
 * What’s the play at the trade deadline?

For question 1, I wonder if the Cardinals have truly embraced analytics and technology
like other teams. Tampa Bay is competitive with no payroll because they understand
both; the Braves are more in line with the Cardinals from a salary standpoint and
they are far ahead of the Cardinals.

If you compare the front offices, the [Cardinals](https://www.mlb.com/cardinals/team/front-office)
list a lot more scouting with some analytics, the [Braves](https://www.mlb.com/braves/team/front-office)
have a lot more analytics with fewer scouts and an entire IT department, and the
[Rays](https://www.mlb.com/rays/team/front-office) have little listed for scouting
and a ton of analysts along with an IT department. Now, some teams don’t list all
of their analysts and scouts on the MLB websites, so these might not be complete
lists; the point stands that the Braves and Rays have embraced the new way of baseball.

I also question if the Cardinals have incorporated technology like [Rapsodo cameras](https://rapsodo.com/pages/baseball),
[Swingtracker sensors](https://diamondkinetics.com/swingtracker-baseball/), and 
[PitchF/X](https://library.fangraphs.com/misc/pitch-fx/) and [StatCast data](https://www.mlb.com/news/statcast-primer-baseball-will-never-be-the-same/c-119234412)
to their upmost potential. I think it was 4 years ago or so that the Cardinals talked
about creating a pitching at Blogger Day; subsequent years they only said it was
still in development (there are rumors that Marlins put a hold on it because any
update the Cardinals make need to also be made by the Marlins, and they weren’t 
interested in making the investment).

All of this ties into the second question; if the Cardinals aren’t totally investing
in technology and analytics, can they really compete with the top teams? Let’s look
at the last few years of free agents signings and their WAR:

 * 2023, 0.0 bWAR: [Tres Barrera](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/barretr01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-07-24_br)(
   0.0), [Willson Contreras](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/contrwi01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-07-24_br)(
   1.8)*, [Oscar Mercado](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/mercaos01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-07-24_br)(-
   0.2), [Taylor Motter](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/motteta01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-07-24_br)(-
   0.1), [Ryan Tepera](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/t/teperry01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-07-24_br)(-
   0.1), [Adam Wainwright](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/w/wainwad01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-07-24_br)(-
   1.4), [Guillermo Zuniga](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/z/zuniggu01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-07-24_br)(
   0.0)*
 * 2022, 1.1 bWAR: [Aaron Brooks](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/brookaa01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-07-24_br)(-
   0.2), [Corey Dickerson](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/dickeco01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-07-24_br)(
   0.0), [Steven Matz](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/matzst01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-07-24_br)(
   0.3)*, [T.J. McFarland](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/mcfartj01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-07-24_br)(-
   0.8), [Yadier Molina](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/molinya01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-07-24_br)(
   0.0), [James Naile](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/n/naileja01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-07-24_br)(-
   0.5)*, [Albert Pujols](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/pujolal01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-07-24_br)(
   2.0), [Cory Spangenberg](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/spangco01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-07-24_br)(
   0.0), [Drew VerHagen](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/v/verhadr01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-07-24_br)(-
   0.9)*, Wainwright (1.9), [Nick Wittgren](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/w/wittgni01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-07-24_br)(-
   0.6)
 * 2021, 7.0 bWAR: [Brandon Dickson](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/dicksbr01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-07-24_br)(-
   0.1), [Luis Garcia](https://www.baseball-reference.com/search/search.fcgi?pid=garcilu03,garcilu05,garcilu04,garcilu02,garcilu01,garcia028lui,garcia029lui,garcia032lui,garcia030lui,garcia022lui,garcia023lui&search=Luis+Garcia&utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-07-24_br)(
   0.4), [Wade LeBlanc](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/l/leblawa01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-07-24_br)(
   0.5), McFarland (0.8), Molina (1.7), [Max Moroff](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/morofma01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-07-24_br)(-
   0.3), [Jose Rondon](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/rondojo02.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-07-24_br)(
   0.1), Wainwright (3.9)
 * 2020, 3.2 bWAR: [Nabil Crismatt](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/crismna01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-07-24_br)(
   0.0), [Rob Kaminsky](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/k/kaminro01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-07-24_br)(-
   0.1), [Kwang Hyun Kim](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/k/kimkw01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-07-24_br)(
   2.1)*, [Brad Miller](https://www.baseball-reference.com/search/search.fcgi?pid=millebr02,miller024bra,miller023bra&search=Brad+Miller&utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-07-24_br)(
   0.9), [Rangel Ravelo](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/ravelra01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-07-24_br)(-
   0.2), Wainwright (0.5), [Matt Wieters](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/w/wietema01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-07-24_br)(
   0.0)

_* multi-year deals_

And this list doesn’t include [Dexter Fowler](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/f/fowlede01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-07-24_br)(
1.8) and [Andrew Miller](https://www.baseball-reference.com/search/search.fcgi?pid=millean01,miller017and,miller016and,miller018and&search=Andrew+Miller&utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-07-24_br)(-
0.5), who were big signings when they happened. In those 4 years of contracts, you
only have 3 guys (Pujols, 2021 Wainwright, and Kim) as players with at least 2.0
WAR, and 6 (Conteras [who will probably move to the 2.0 list in another few games],
2022 Wainwright, and 2021 Molina) with at least 1.5 WAR. Compare that to 13 players
with negative WAR and another 7 with 0.0. Out of 33 free agents, 20 have no or negative
value. You’ll also notice the value they are getting from the free agent market 
has decreased each year since 2021 (2020 is weird since it was the partial Covid
season).

Just from those numbers, their signings are questionable; it’s a good thing they
draft well. Add in the Contreras circus this year: there were known questions about
his pitch calling and framing before they agreed to a deal, yet they signed him 
anyways and acted surprised when he wasn’t up to par (granted, he wasn’t that bad[
other then calling pitches that pitchers didn’t throw] and it was going to be impossible
to follow Molina successfully).

As far as the Maddux/Albert question, there could be more into them leaving then
just being closer to home for Maddux and the disrespect that Albert was receiving
from fans and media. [Matt Holliday](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/hollima01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-07-24_br)
could be lumped into this question too after backing out of the bench coach position.
I’m not going to speculate on any of that, as we’ll never really know. You can say
that [Oli Marmol](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/marmool99.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-07-24_br)
is a dynamic personality and might not be for everyone, like maybe [Tyler O’Neill](https://www.baseball-reference.com/search/search.fcgi?pid=oneilty01,oneill001tyl&search=Tyler+O'Neill&utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-07-24_br);
Marmol is vocal, but he never threw his coaches under the bus. The club also prioritized
Albert’s hitting philosophy throughout the system and Oli was brought in Mike Shildt
had his issues with it.

[⌊Redbirds Nolan Gorman⌉⌊Redbirds Nolan Gorman⌉[

Finally, where should the team go. This season is done; no question about it. No
team should try to count on a late season run like the Cardinals did in 2011 and
2021; the chances of it happening again are slim, [like 1 in a million](https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/fa53ef88-b8fe-4e81-ad08-98a8a6ed8170).
It’s time to build for next year. There are reports that [Nolan Arenado](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/a/arenano01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-07-24_br),
[Paul Goldschmidt](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/goldspa01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-07-24_br),
[Jordan Walker](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/w/walkejo02.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-07-24_br),
and [Lars Nootbaar](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/n/nootbla01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-07-24_br)
are untouchable, as the team sees them as next season’s core. I’d add [Nolan Gorman](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/gormano01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-07-24_br)
and [Dylan Carlson](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/carlsdy01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-07-24_br)
to that mix as well; Gorman has taken steps forward, and we’re only a year removed
from Carlson being off-limits in a [Juan Soto](https://www.baseball-reference.com/search/search.fcgi?pid=sotoju01,soto--004jua&search=Juan+Soto&utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-07-24_br)
trade.

If an extension can’t be reached with [Jordan Montgomery](https://www.baseball-reference.com/search/search.fcgi?pid=montgjo01,montgo001jor&search=Jordan+Montgomery&utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-07-24_br),
he’s the first name I’m throwing out there. He’s pitching well and has value with
a contender. [Jack Flaherty](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/f/flaheja01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-07-24_br)
is right there with him; I can see a contender wanting him as a change of scenery
candidate. O’Neill could have some upward value if he’s hitting in the next week;
I hope he does because he could net a decent return.

Contreras is a name that’s apparently floating around on the market; it’s surprising
while not so. He’s in the first year of a 5 year deal with a lot of money still 
being owed to him; the Cardinals would have to eat some serious money to move him.
He also has a full no trade clause, which might not be as big of an obstacle as 
it was when he signed the deal. While his offensive numbers are solid, I can’t see
many teams being interested in him as a catcher, nor do I believe he’d want to be
a full-time DH yet (even though that’s pretty much what he’s doing now).

Other names I’d listen on: Matz (little return and money going with him), [Paul DeJong](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/dejonpa01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-07-24_br),
[Tommy Edman](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/e/edmanto01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-07-24_br),
VerHagen, [Chris Stratton](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/stratch01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-07-24_br),
[Ryan Helsley](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/helslry01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-07-24_br)(
if healthy), [Jordan Hicks](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/hicksjo03.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-07-24_br),
[Dakota Hudson](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/hudsoda02.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-07-24_br),
[Andrew Knizner](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/k/kniznan01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-07-24_br),
[Alec Burleson](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/burleal01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-07-24_br),
[Luken Baker](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/bakerlu01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-07-24_br),
[Jose Fermin](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/f/fermijo01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-07-24_br),
[Moises Gomez](https://www.baseball-reference.com/search/search.fcgi?pid=gomez-003moi,gomez-002moi&search=Moises+Gomez&utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-07-24_br),
[Kyle Leahy](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/l/leahyky01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-07-24_br),
Naile, [JoJo Romero](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/romerjo01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-07-24_br),
and [Juan Yepez](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/y/yepezju01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-07-24_br).
Guys like Edman and Helsley would bring nice returns, while DeJong and Matz would
clear out both roster spots and some money.

Wainwright is untradeable, and frankly, shouldn’t be traded so he can finish up 
in St. Louis. The issue becomes his role. He’s not a good starter, and I don’t know
how he’d hold up in the bullpen. Maybe shorter stints would help.

In these deals, they need to look at young MLB players, or those that are close 
to being ready. Maybe a change of scenery candidate that is under contract for a
couple of years if it were to drop the amount of money we’d have to send somewhere
with a Matz, DeJong, or Contreras. These young players probably need to be pitching;
the outfield has plenty of candidates, even if they were to trade an O’Neill and/
or Burleson. They have shortstop lined up with [Masyn Winn](https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=winn--000mas&utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-07-24_br).

While these moves are a step in the right direction, bigger things have to happen.
I’m ready to clear out the coaching staff and front office; the only people who 
are safe are [Willie McGee](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/mcgeewi01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-07-24_br)
in the dugout and [Randy Flores](https://www.baseball-reference.com/search/search.fcgi?pid=florera01,flores002ran&search=Randy+Flores&utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-07-24_br)
as scouting director/assistant GM (and maybe even promote him). Raid the Rays and
Braves for the front office; as mentioned earlier, they’ve successfully embraced
analytics. See if you can get [Skip Schumaker](https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/schumsk01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.nyrdcast.com&utm_campaign=2023-07-24_br)
back from the Marlins to run the dugout; he’s done a great job with a young Marlins
team.

I’d also go back to some traditional scouting to go with the analytics; the team
is down to 6 pro scouts and 15 amateur scouts (with 2 part-time scouts, 4 regional
cross-checkers, and 3 national cross-checkers). I’d up both groups: 6 MLB scouts(
1 per division), 10 MiLB scouts (2 for each level), and 30 amateur scouts (25 U.
S. scouts, 5 international). Having scouts watching games is still an important 
part of baseball and would maybe help eliminate issues like we’ve seen with Contreras.

What’s next for me is watching the rumors for the next week or so. I’ll be posting
more with updates until the deadline, then recapping the moves. I’m also tracking
the [Cardinals draft](https://www.nyrdcast.com/2023/07/2023-cardinals-draft-tracker/)
and the [whole MLB draft](https://www.nyrdcast.com/2023/07/2023-mlb-draft-tracker/)
as well. Also, check out [next season’s schedule](https://www.nyrdcast.com/2023/07/cardinals-announce-2024-regular-season-schedule/).

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